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Author Topic: Creating a "janitor" class  (Read 8274 times)
Robert_W_King
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« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2008, 08:50:56 AM »

Let's find some kind of psychological barometer to measure someone by (possibly using any one of the number-of-available tests out there e.g. MBPT) and use that.
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« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2008, 06:41:19 PM »

I think that having a janitor class is an excellent idea, as long as there are clear limitations to when and what they can do.  I myself may be interested in such a position in the future, (And I'm an INTJ for those out there that stalk me online, I know you're out there) and would hope that such a position is available. While I have opposed the age/education limit for constables, I would change my mind in a heartbeat if a position such as this was created. I can attest to the fact that there are people out there that would be interested in being able to do basic maintenance, while not having the (right? responsibility? option?) of conflict-resolution.

On the naming; I don't suppose that it really matters that much in the long view, because the people who would be inclined to take this position and stay on long enough to prove themselves, probably aren't the type of people that would care all that much about lording power over others.

I suppose I have enough stuff to do around here anyways, but I'm sure Chris would appreciate it if I could delete all those old definition templates for him  Wink.
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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2008, 06:57:04 PM »

I suppose I have enough stuff to do around here anyways,

Hi, John, one more thing to do, if you would: please go to your Profile thingee and fill out the bottom so that your signature appears at the end of your messages to the Forums.

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« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2008, 05:48:18 AM »

This is what constables are supposed to be doing.  If we don't have enough constables doing the work, we should get more constables on board (if possible).  Constables are also the people who do the mechanics of the work of approving articles.

I have a slightly different take, which is that constables have two basically separate roles, one involving behaviour, and enforcing policies etc, and the other involving access to certain technical capabilities.

I would assume that the set of people who are fitted for both of these roles is smaller than the set of people who are suitable for just the second. Also, there are people who don't want the responsibility of the behaviour/enforcement aspect of Constables (in some cases, 'been there, done that'), but can contribute usefully in ways that need access to certain restricted tools to be able to contribute.

The 'janitor' proposal was simply trying to recognize that reality. (Indeed, we already have people who are sysops, but aren't constables - so we basically already have them, we just don't have a name for them as a class.)

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I would rather not designate people with real power and authority as "janitors." 

But the point is that my proposed janitors would have no 'power' or 'authority', as those words are conventionally thought of - precisely as real janitors, who although they have keys to all the offices, almost nobody would describe as having  'power' or 'authority'.

This is interesting and does help clarify your view, but I am still not persuaded that you've set my point aside.  The right in the system to delete pages, for example, is tantamount to the power to delete pages.  There is no way to circumscribe the power technically--only socially.  So, if you have that power, it is a relatively fine point for us to say that you do or do not have the authority to delete a page if it is abusive (in some way).  Once we identify a class of people who has a technical right without the social right, we must keep a watch over them.  And that in turn means extra layers of complexity, rules, and bureaucracy.  The social system becomes more complex.  It's a principle of social community design that you do not multiply social roles, or socially-enforced (as opposed to technically-enforced) rules, unnecessarily.  To do so is both inefficient and carries the inherent potential of abuse of authority.

This is also why we never, despite considering it several times, established a special class of copyeditors, either.
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