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Author Topic: Would you contribute more if the wiki were blank?  (Read 52509 times)
Versuri
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« Reply #105 on: February 01, 2007, 07:22:08 AM »

Under GFDL if a person decide to sell contents of CZ, he is allowed to do this. GFDL permits commercial use. Per example, if a big corporation wants to make a printed encyclopedia with all contents of CZ and sell it for a expensive price, it can do that without any restriction.  Many people would work for free while others would profit from their work.
If CZ restricts commercial use, nobody would profit from the job of others. All CZ material would be free for everyone. No one would be allowed to sell it.


As I ever said:
Why should be allowed commercial use? That idea is good for software, but why for an encyclopedia? Only a few people in the world would be able to buy a wonderful printed encyclopedia. Why not the same rights for everyone? And why some people have to work for free and others earn money with this?
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« Reply #106 on: February 01, 2007, 09:10:21 AM »

Under GFDL if a person decide to sell contents of CZ, he is allowed to do this. GFDL permits commercial use. Per example, if a big corporation wants to make a printed encyclopedia with all contents of CZ and sell it for a expensive price, it can do that without any restriction.  Many people would work for free while others would profit from their work.
If CZ restricts commercial use, nobody would profit from the job of others. All CZ material would be free for everyone. No one would be allowed to sell it.

Additionally, selling printed encyclopedias or almanacs would be one way for the (non-profit!) Citizendium Foundation to raise money without having to do bimonthly funding drives.
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« Reply #107 on: February 03, 2007, 12:30:42 AM »

Versuri, exactly what do you mean by non-commercial? Larry- could you walk us through this topic. please- what is and is not allowed under the various licensing requirements?

I will do this and much more...probably next week or (realistically) the week after.
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Stephen Ewen
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« Reply #108 on: February 03, 2007, 02:15:15 AM »

I think that the correct question should be?

Would you contribute more if the wiki were for non-commercial purposes?  Smiley

An unqualified YES from me.
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Nat Krause
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« Reply #109 on: February 03, 2007, 11:25:34 AM »


Would you contribute more if the wiki were for non-commercial purposes?  Smiley

I would contribute less.
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« Reply #110 on: February 08, 2007, 04:46:57 PM »

Under GFDL if a person decide to sell contents of CZ, he is allowed to do this. GFDL permits commercial use. Per example, if a big corporation wants to make a printed encyclopedia with all contents of CZ and sell it for a expensive price, it can do that without any restriction.  Many people would work for free while others would profit from their work.

Given this scenario it would definitely be an advantage to have a non-commercial license. If CZ works, i.e. approval + reliability then there is something worth selling.  Wikipedia does not have that going for it even though much of their content is fine.
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Joseph Rushton Wakeling
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« Reply #111 on: February 10, 2007, 07:48:29 PM »

Under GFDL if a person decide to sell contents of CZ, he is allowed to do this. GFDL permits commercial use. Per example, if a big corporation wants to make a printed encyclopedia with all contents of CZ and sell it for a expensive price, it can do that without any restriction.  Many people would work for free while others would profit from their work.
If CZ restricts commercial use, nobody would profit from the job of others. All CZ material would be free for everyone. No one would be allowed to sell it.


As I ever said:
Why should be allowed commercial use? That idea is good for software, but why for an encyclopedia? Only a few people in the world would be able to buy a wonderful printed encyclopedia. Why not the same rights for everyone? And why some people have to work for free and others earn money with this?
I don't see why that's such a big problem.  The big win for CZ will be to get a reputation as a provider of excellent content.  It's a positive thing if others pick up and help to distribute it.  The text will remain free---such a book could be put under the photocopier or scanned into computer, and any of the editorial additions or changes made could be fed back to the project.

In any case as has already been noted, non-commercial licenses restrict CZ's own commercial possibilities.  It might be very worthwhile to collaborate with publishers to produce commercial books from CZ content, with royalties to support CZ.
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« Reply #112 on: April 04, 2007, 07:21:49 PM »

Well...someone (lots of someones) have brought over some of the worst of the worst in the areas of technology related to computers.  They read like really bad user manuals full of jargon; I almost cancelled my membership immediately when I saw how many there were.  With computers it's especially bad because there are a million people who, because they use computers a lot, consider themselves qualified to weigh in.

After some reflection, I'm trying to mop up on these anyway, but I tell you, it would be a heck of a lot more fun to start from scratch and just wait until the good things come in their own time.  I feel like I'm digging myself out from under a huge rock pile.
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Stephen Ewen
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« Reply #113 on: April 04, 2007, 10:05:54 PM »

Often widely felt sentiments, Pat. Smiley  All articles should be thought of as completely replaceable by a superior version.

Also, imported WP articles are subject to deletion if it was copied from Wikipedia or some other online source (where it can now be read) over one week ago, and no one has made any substantive revisions to it then or since then, regardless of whether it was marked "CZ Live" or not.  See http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Article_Deletion_Policy
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« Reply #114 on: April 05, 2007, 06:17:22 AM »

Well...someone (lots of someones) have brought over some of the worst of the worst in the areas of technology related to computers.  They read like really bad user manuals full of jargon

Can you please list some specific examples, both of what you think is a "good" article (in the "I can't read this because there's too much jargon" sense) and what you think is a "bad" article?

I'm a geek... however I'd like to make useful contributions to Citizendium. I also want to create articles that "Joe Schmoe" can read and understand, rather than  articles that are  "inaccessible" because they just show off "How much Eric Gearhart knows."

Soo... as I said before can you reply with examples of both  "good" and "bad"? My personal Contributions list is here, if that helps.
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