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Howard C. Berkowitz
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« on: November 03, 2009, 09:36:09 PM » |
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I notice there are no Food Sciences or Agriculture boards, which is just as well -- I still want to simplify to Food.
Seeking opinion here: is TexMex something that should be under American Cuisine, Mexican Cuisine, or its own entry? How about New Mexico style?
Haven't figured out what to, other than cook it, of Ken Lo style American Southwest-Chinese Fusion style.
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http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Howard_C._BerkowitzPrime Minister, you can't take the bull by the horns if you're grasping the nettle. I mean, if you grasped the nettle with one hand, you could take the bull by one horn with the other hand, but not by both horns because your hand wouldn't be big enough, and if you took a bull by only one horn it would be rather dangerous because...' (Yes Prime Minister II, pp. 221-2)
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Matt Innis
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 09:50:12 PM » |
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I think Mexicans would definitely consider it American.  |
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Howard C. Berkowitz
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 09:53:28 PM » |
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I think Mexicans would definitely consider it American. You remind me that I was in a classical Mexican restaurant in Manhattan, and saw, on the menus, "Genuine American Nachos, adapted to the discerning Mexican palate." Still, tamales are clearly Mexican, although I'd wonder about some of the fried tortilla concoctions. |
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http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Howard_C._BerkowitzPrime Minister, you can't take the bull by the horns if you're grasping the nettle. I mean, if you grasped the nettle with one hand, you could take the bull by one horn with the other hand, but not by both horns because your hand wouldn't be big enough, and if you took a bull by only one horn it would be rather dangerous because...' (Yes Prime Minister II, pp. 221-2)
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Hayford Peirce
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 09:57:37 PM » |
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I live in Tucson, which is the center of the so-called "Sonoran Mexican cuisine". People used to Tex-Mex think it's odd. But, from what I gather after 15 years of living here, it is to "Mexican food" in general as French cuisine is to "European" food in general. Without being an expert, I gather that to say "Mexican food" is like saying "Chinese food" -- that was OK 60 years ago, but now we know that there are many, many regional varieties, the same as in India. Or even Italy, for that matter....
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Howard C. Berkowitz
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 10:08:50 PM » |
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I live in Tucson, which is the center of the so-called "Sonoran Mexican cuisine". People used to Tex-Mex think it's odd. But, from what I gather after 15 years of living here, it is to "Mexican food" in general as French cuisine is to "European" food in general. Without being an expert, I gather that to say "Mexican food" is like saying "Chinese food" -- that was OK 60 years ago, but now we know that there are many, many regional varieties, the same as in India. Or even Italy, for that matter....
Oh sure...when and if I start a Mexican cuisine article, I'll definitely cover regions. Now that you bring it up, I'm not sure if I wouldn't call what I think of New Mexican as Sonoran, with the definite exception of Frito Pie. |
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http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Howard_C._BerkowitzPrime Minister, you can't take the bull by the horns if you're grasping the nettle. I mean, if you grasped the nettle with one hand, you could take the bull by one horn with the other hand, but not by both horns because your hand wouldn't be big enough, and if you took a bull by only one horn it would be rather dangerous because...' (Yes Prime Minister II, pp. 221-2)
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Joe Quick
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 10:12:33 PM » |
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It's not Mexican, that's for sure. Or if it is Mexican, then it's Mexican in the same way that Tombstone pizzas are Italian.
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 10:45:01 PM » |
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Now that you bring it up, I'm not sure if I wouldn't call what I think of New Mexican as Sonoran, with the definite exception of Frito Pie.
I think that Sonoran does not extend east to NM, but does extend south into the Sonoran part of Mexico itself. I could easily be wrong, but I never run across people or sites extolling the food in NM.... |
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Howard C. Berkowitz
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2009, 10:47:49 PM » |
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Now that you bring it up, I'm not sure if I wouldn't call what I think of New Mexican as Sonoran, with the definite exception of Frito Pie.
I think that Sonoran does not extend east to NM, but does extend south into the Sonoran part of Mexico itself. I could easily be wrong, but I never run across people or sites extolling the food in NM.... There really is a distinct New Mexican style, perhaps drawing more from some of the Native Americans there. It uses different chilies than other areas, more fruit...a light style. |
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http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Howard_C._BerkowitzPrime Minister, you can't take the bull by the horns if you're grasping the nettle. I mean, if you grasped the nettle with one hand, you could take the bull by one horn with the other hand, but not by both horns because your hand wouldn't be big enough, and if you took a bull by only one horn it would be rather dangerous because...' (Yes Prime Minister II, pp. 221-2)
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Peter Schmitt
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 08:10:50 PM » |
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There really is a distinct New Mexican style, perhaps drawing more from some of the Native Americans there. It uses different chilies than other areas, more fruit...a light style.
You have to be careful: "New Mexican" cuisine or New "Mexican cuisine". The parent page should comment on all types that are called "Mexican" and clarify the differences. (From gusanos to chili con carne ...) |
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Joe Quick
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2009, 08:16:31 AM » |
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You have to be careful:
"New Mexican" cuisine or New "Mexican cuisine".
That's sure true. The parent page should comment on all types that are called "Mexican" and clarify the differences.
(From gusanos to chili con carne ...)
When I was first starting to learn Spanish, I always got confused about gusanos and guisantes. The first one means worms and the second one means peas. You can imagine my dismay when I started noticing how many of my favorite dishes apparently had worms in them. The confusion would resolve itself within a minute or two each time it happened but it happened pretty often for a couple of years. |
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Drew R. Smith
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2009, 05:11:07 PM » |
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My own bit of original research - I used to live in Del Rio Texas, when I was a child. My family used to go to mexico almost once a month, eat at real mexican restaurants, and basically be tourists. I can tell you without a doubt that the only difference between TexMex and real Mexican food that I can discern is that real mexican is fresher.
Of course, living in Hawaii for the past four years, I see tourists eating "authentic" Hawaiian food that is completely different from what people actually eat, so maybe that was the case when I went to mexico...
Drew
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