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Dan Nessett
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« on: September 16, 2009, 03:20:12 PM »

Howard and I have been working on a new Internet subgroup that is intended for association with both the Computers and Engineering workgroups. The subgroup page is at: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Internet_Subgroup. A draft of the subgroup main article is at: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Wishlist/Establish_Relationship_with_External_Organization/Internet_sub-group_description.

Right now the main article tab is connected to an article that already exists. I have proposed that we move that article to something like "History of the Internet" in order to put the subgroup article in the right place.
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Howard C. Berkowitz
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2009, 03:22:50 PM »

Howard and I have been working on a new Internet subgroup that is intended for association with both the Computers and Engineering workgroups. The subgroup page is at: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Internet_Subgroup. A draft of the subgroup main article is at: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Wishlist/Establish_Relationship_with_External_Organization/Internet_sub-group_description.

Right now the main article tab is connected to an article that already exists. I have proposed that we move that article to something like "History of the Internet" in order to put the subgroup article in the right place.

Actually, I think it's more that we split off the history to a linked subarticle, and tweak the main article as need be. 

There is the question of whether the group should, even if there are no active editors, at least conceptually be linked, at least, to Media and any other groups.
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Prime Minister, you can't take the bull by the horns if you're grasping the nettle. I mean, if you grasped the nettle with one hand, you could take the bull by one horn with the other hand, but not by both horns because your hand wouldn't be big enough, and if you took a bull by only one horn it would be rather dangerous because...' (Yes Prime Minister II, pp. 221-2)
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2009, 01:57:22 AM »

The current main article at http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Internet is only a "lemma" article created by Howard. He has suggested (just above) that the chronological history section be split off as a separate article ... and the rest be retained as the subgroup main article and improved upon. That sounds like a good suggestion to me.

Why not go ahead and create the Metadata template for that article (which it does not have right now)? Then the subpages template on the article's edit page should go into effect (I think) and create the green subpages banner with tabs for the cluster sections (Talk, Related Articles, Bibliography, External Links).

As something for future consideration, it might be better to change the article name from "The development of the Internet" to simply "Development of the Internet".

Milt Beychok
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Howard C. Berkowitz
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2009, 02:08:57 AM »

The current main article at http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Internet is only a "lemma" article created by Howard. He has suggested (just above) that the chronological history section be split off as a separate article ... and the rest be retained as the subgroup main article and improved upon. That sounds like a good suggestion to me.

Why not go ahead and create the Metadata template for that article (which it does not have right now)? Then the subpages template on the article's edit page should go into effect (I think) and create the green subpages banner with tabs for the cluster sections (Talk, Related Articles, Bibliography, External Links).

As something for future consideration, it might be better to change the article name from "The development of the Internet" to simply "Development of the Internet".

Milt Beychok

Slight correction  -- it isn't a lemma; it just looks like that because some things got scrambled in an attempted move. Nevertheless, the first four or so paragraphs are the core of the article, and there indeed should be a good deal of linking to subarticles, linking with clear transitional language. Since I was around for a fair number of the early stages of creation of the internet, I want the key ideas that drove them to be in the transition. There may well be a subarticle on architecture, although that's more controversial; I don't think Dan and myself are completely in agreement on the architectural model.

It has long been my theory that each new generation, for time immemorial,believes it invented sex. For the last three or so generations, each generation seems to believe it invented computers and networks. I don't want to lose the experience of the actual creation (Internet, not sex), as it's recent enough to give a lot of perspective. Indeed, there's a lot of international tension over things that were not intentional but had to do with early funding -- groups like ICANN are a struggle to make a truly world framework. 
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Prime Minister, you can't take the bull by the horns if you're grasping the nettle. I mean, if you grasped the nettle with one hand, you could take the bull by one horn with the other hand, but not by both horns because your hand wouldn't be big enough, and if you took a bull by only one horn it would be rather dangerous because...' (Yes Prime Minister II, pp. 221-2)
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2009, 07:09:33 AM »

It has long been my theory that each new generation, for time immemorial,believes it invented sex. For the last three or so generations, each generation seems to believe it invented computers and networks. I don't want to lose the experience of the actual creation (Internet, not sex), as it's recent enough to give a lot of perspective. Indeed, there's a lot of international tension over things that were not intentional but had to do with early funding -- groups like ICANN are a struggle to make a truly world framework. 

Let's hope Noel Chiappa comes back to us someday!
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