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Author Topic: Naming convention for kings, etc.  (Read 1021 times)
Peter Schmitt
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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2009, 02:42:07 AM »

While we're on the topic, it was recently pointed out to me that we do not use the word "king" in article titles. I actually have two questions about this.
1) Why? or rather, why not? While a neither agree nor disagree, I would like to know the reasoning behind it. And...
I don't know about old discussions. However, I think it is reasonable because "king" is a title, profession, or similar.
It often changes. A ruler can have several titles at the same time.
(And it is not usual in encyclopedias and lexica.)
Articles are not called "President Bush" or "Doctor Einstein". Etc. etc.
And -- see below -- these titles differ between languages: Roi Louis IV, King Richard II, Ali`i ...
(If the title were used it had to be in the corresponding language, I think.)

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2) What about lesser distinctions, such as chief, chiefess, or in the case of the articles I am currently working on, ali`i (chief or high chief), ali`i aimoku (highest chief of an island), and mo`i (rulers of maui)? In many cases I've come across several different significant people who share the same name, and the only distinction would be title, or the island they are associated with.
The most natural would be: disambiguation by island.
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Drew R. Smith
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2009, 03:45:29 AM »

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The most natural would be: disambiguation by island.

ech. I've seen pages at WP titled "Haka of Maui" and another titled "Haka", with This article is about the ali`i aimoku of Oahu, for the Mo`i of Maui see [[Haka of Maui]], and later, I would find an article titled "Haka of Oahu" saying something completely different. Disambiguation isn't a very reliable system, but if its the only thing we can do in cases like this, I guess I'm ok with it...
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Joe Quick
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2009, 06:21:09 AM »

While we're on the topic, it was recently pointed out to me that we do not use the word "king" in article titles. I actually have two questions about this.
1) Why? or rather, why not? While a neither agree nor disagree, I would like to know the reasoning behind it. And...
I don't know about old discussions. However, I think it is reasonable because "king" is a title, profession, or similar.
It often changes. A ruler can have several titles at the same time.
(And it is not usual in encyclopedias and lexica.)
Articles are not called "President Bush" or "Doctor Einstein". Etc. etc.
And -- see below -- these titles differ between languages: Roi Louis IV, King Richard II, Ali`i ...
(If the title were used it had to be in the corresponding language, I think.)
Right, and some strings of titles get to be very, very long, to the point that they don't make reasonable titles.
I would like to say that we should just name the articles whatever it is that people generally remember the figure by and then use disambiguation and redirects to clarify.  Of course, that assumes that everyone remembers the same title, which is not case.
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