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Peter Schmitt
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« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2009, 01:30:57 PM »

That is a reasonable point. Once I arrive at an article I generally navigate to others that it links to. However, the text I use to decide whether I want to view the article is not the article title. It is the text piped in the link reference.
That might often happen -- but at least when arriving at the page reading the title helps to decide whether the link is helpful.
(I usually  look both at the title and the internet address to filter out pages that will certainly not interest me.)

Thus one should not quarrel about a title (in extreme situations a redirect should solve the dispute),
but neverless regard a well chosen title as a sign of quality.

(The title of a paper is not important if I find it in reference, but when browsing a journal (or the program of a conference),
an article with a good, interesting sounding title makes curious to look at the abstract and then, maybe, to read or attend it.)
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Peter Schmitt
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« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2009, 01:35:28 PM »

By piped text, do you mean what appears on the Wikilink in the main article, or the entry in Related Articles, which also has a definition and context? How do we encourage use of the contextualized Related Articles, which I honestly believe is one of our differentiators?
I think he speaks about the excerpt of text shown by Google in the research results.
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Dan Nessett
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« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2009, 02:07:13 PM »

By piped text, do you mean what appears on the Wikilink in the main article, or the entry in Related Articles, which also has a definition and context? How do we encourage use of the contextualized Related Articles, which I honestly believe is one of our differentiators?
I think he speaks about the excerpt of text shown by Google in the research results.

Actually, I meant the bit of text after the pipe character ("|") in a wiki markup link (contained within "[[ ]]"). This is what shows up in the text after it is rendered. Of course, the first thing I see is the "excerpt of text shown by Google in the research results." But, when navigating within a site like Citizendium and Wikipedia I almost invariably use the text displayed by the markup link.

I am unfamiliar with Related Articles entries, so I decided to try them out. I went to the main Citizendium page, navigated to the top of the Mathematics articles, then drilled down to Change, and then Differential Equation. At first, I couldn't find "Related Articles" on any of the pages. Then I found the tab. In any case, most of the links on the Related Articles page were red (undefined). I would guess that this will change over time. But, I think this type of information has a similar function to Categories. Personally, I have never used the Category links, usually because I am looking for something specific and the Google search results are more pertinent. However, others may find Categories more useful and therefore, would find Related Articles even more so.


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Dan Nessett
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« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2009, 02:17:10 PM »

That might often happen -- but at least when arriving at the page reading the title helps to decide whether the link is helpful.
(I usually  look both at the title and the internet address to filter out pages that will certainly not interest me.)

Thus one should not quarrel about a title (in extreme situations a redirect should solve the dispute),
but neverless regard a well chosen title as a sign of quality.

(The title of a paper is not important if I find it in reference, but when browsing a journal (or the program of a conference),
an article with a good, interesting sounding title makes curious to look at the abstract and then, maybe, to read or attend it.)

Unless I be misunderstood, I am not arguing that a title is completely irrelevant. I agree it should correctly indicate the content of the page. And, like you, I tend to glance at the page title to see if it is relevant to my immediate interest. (I generally filter out domain names before clicking on the Google results list.) However, I don't think we should spend a lot of time arguing whether the word "Proof" belongs in a page title.
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Howard C. Berkowitz
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« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2009, 03:43:55 PM »


I am unfamiliar with Related Articles entries, so I decided to try them out. I went to the main Citizendium page, navigated to the top of the Mathematics articles, then drilled down to Change, and then Differential Equation.

I can't speak to their usage in mathematics, but, as one reasonably well-filled example that links to many other well-filled examples, see the Related Articles page for Intelligence interrogation, U.S., George W. Bush Administration, and see what you think of its utility.
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Dan Nessett
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« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2009, 04:21:56 PM »


I am unfamiliar with Related Articles entries, so I decided to try them out. I went to the main Citizendium page, navigated to the top of the Mathematics articles, then drilled down to Change, and then Differential Equation.

I can't speak to their usage in mathematics, but, as one reasonably well-filled example that links to many other well-filled examples, see the Related Articles page for Intelligence interrogation, U.S., George W. Bush Administration, and see what you think of its utility.

The Related Article page you reference is well thought out and populated with useful information. I think those doing in-depth research on interrogation techniques used during the Bush (2) Administration would find it very useful. Those looking for less depth would probably not click the Related Articles page, but they would be unlikely to seek more information no matter how it is made available.
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