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Author Topic: OpenLibrary, linked data and the Citizendium  (Read 911 times)
Tom Morris
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« on: May 16, 2009, 08:10:57 AM »

In my capacity as Semantic Web person, I've been really impressed with some library projects recently: OpenLibrary, LIBRIS and the new Library of Congress Authorities and Vocabularies service (I mentally think of it as just "id.loc.gov" or some variant thereof).

These, and other, projects are trying to pull libraries kicking and screaming out of the technological dark ages by ensuring that both books and the categorised metadata is available as Linked Open Data on the web. These projects are using web-native architecture (HTTP, content negotiation, 'cool URIs' etc.) and Semantic Web standards to make library data useful.

OpenLibrary is a great example: it gives every book a proper URI, it's compiled by pulling in data from a large number of academic and research libraries around the world and merged somewhat intelligently together. But it's also editable in a wiki style. If you look at my user page, you can see the edits I've made: I've gone in and added Table of Contents data for every book I read or borrow as part of my research.

The U.S. Library of Congress provide a managed hierarchy of subjects and categories which is used by many libraries both in the U.S. and elsewhere. For instance, the library in my university college uses LoC subject headings, and many OPAC (library catalogue) systems let you use the LoC subject headings to look books up by - and they are being used in OpenLibrary also.

LIBRIS is the catalogue system for the Kungl. Bibliotekt - the National Library of Sweden - Sweden's version of the British Library or the Library of Congress. LIBRIS have also adopted Linked Data standards and are making all the data from their catalogues available in machine-readable form with proper resourceful URIs. They are really providing a model for how libraries should have catalogues. Hopefully other libraries will follow soon.

All three of these services are showing what libraries can do on the web when they take the web seriously, rather than just seeing it as an front-end to their catalogue systems. The web means allowing a complete interconnectedness between data sources: just as webpages are linked together, we are seeing that Semantic Web technologies are allowing datasets to link together into one giant web of data.

How might we be able to use this at the Citizendium? Well, I think are the sort of projects we should be partnered up with. How we do this is something I think we should explore as a community. While Wikipedia is blazing it's own user-generated path, I think that it's in the spirit of our project to link in to these projects. At a very practical level, I think that OpenLibrary is something we could start linking to on Bibliography pages with relative ease. In our metadata template, we could also start specifying how clusters are related to Library of Congress Subject Headings using the URIs provided by id.loc.gov. I think that as a relative newcomer in this field, we can start linking in with other services like this. Of course, this is just for books. For other things we discuss, we should start pointing out to machine-readable data in the same way: MusicBrainz is a database of musical recordings that operates similarly, Geonames does so for places, the BBC puts all their programmes online in a linked-data manner. And our scientific workgroups could do similarly for any number of datasets: a large number of chemical, pharmaceutical and genetic databases are going online as linked data.

In short: have a look at Linked Data.org. Who thinks it would be a good idea if we could think of ways to linking Citizendium into any of the databases on there? Feedback welcome.
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2009, 09:43:39 PM »

I like the idea of linking CZ bibliographies and citations to OpenLibrary, though I'd rather see the same info right on the CZ pages, for the convenience of the reader.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2009, 11:29:52 AM »

Hi Tom,
thanks for bringing this up - I think it is important to use URIs for bibliographic items (that was exactly the motivation behind my experimental namespace for references), and that we should partner up with initiatives working specifically on this.

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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009, 12:37:48 PM »

Yes, I think this would be a valuable direction to go.  I actually suggested something along the lines of Daniel's reference namesapce a while back and I like the idea of partnering with other projects. 

Is there any way for us to mirror pages from OpenLibrary or the others within a reference namespace here?
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Howard C. Berkowitz
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2009, 03:02:07 PM »

The U.S. Library of Congress provide a managed hierarchy of subjects and categories which is used by many libraries both in the U.S. and elsewhere. For instance, the library in my university college uses LoC subject headings, and many OPAC (library catalogue) systems let you use the LoC subject headings to look books up by - and they are being used in OpenLibrary also.

Tom, Daniel pointed to this in the Charter discussion, and it's worth re-exploring. As you may know, I used to work at the LoC.

The information hierarchy is familiar to people that use academic libraries, although it really wasn't designed as a general knowledge model, but to describe the collections at LC as they were at the time.  As you'll see, there isn't a good match to our workgroups, not (assume Seinfeld voice) our workgroups are perfect.

* A -- GENERAL WORKS
We've talked about a "general" workgroup; maybe this is an argument to revisit it.

* B -- PHILOSOPHY. PSYCHOLOGY. RELIGION

Each a CZ workgroup.

* C -- AUXILIARY SCIENCES OF HISTORY - WP version
* D -- WORLD HISTORY AND HISTORY OF EUROPE, ASIA, AFRICA, AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, ETC. - WP version
* E -- HISTORY OF THE AMERICAS - WP version
* F -- HISTORY OF THE AMERICAS - WP version

Poor CZ history has  C-F, with pieces of U and V.

* G -- GEOGRAPHY. ANTHROPOLOGY. RECREATION

Substitute "Hobbies" for recreation, and G becomes 3 CZ workgroups


* H -- SOCIAL SCIENCES -

Well, this picks up psychology and sociology.

* J -- POLITICAL SCIENCE


CZ Politics.

* K -- LAW

CZ Law.
* L -- EDUCATION - WP version

CZ Education.

* M -- MUSIC AND BOOKS ON MUSIC

CZ Music.

* N -- FINE ARTS

CZ Visual Arts.

* P -- LANGUAGE AND LITERATURE

CZ Literature .

* Q -- SCIENCE

CZ ...ummm....well...

* R -- MEDICINE

CZ Health Sciences and Healing Arts.  Note that the National Library of Medicine variant on LoC "R" is used by most medical libraries.

* S -- AGRICULTURE


Food science, I suppose.

* T -- TECHNOLOGY

CZ Engineering; Computers partially fits

* U -- MILITARY SCIENCE
* V -- NAVAL SCIENCE

CZ Military.

* Z -- BIBLIOGRAPHY. LIBRARY SCIENCE. INFORMATION RESOURCES (GENERAL) - WP version


CZ Library and Information Sciences.
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2009, 03:41:45 PM »

Thanks for this detailed comparison, Howard. I think combining the best elements of their model with our taxonomy may well deserve another thought.
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Howard C. Berkowitz
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2009, 03:43:49 PM »

Thanks for this detailed comparison, Howard. I think combining the best elements of their model with our taxonomy may well deserve another thought.

Just remember it's an essentially 19th century view of knowledge, particularly knowledge for what was much more a Congressional reference library, at the time, than a national or world resource.
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