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Nick Gardner
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« on: September 05, 2008, 09:10:57 AM »

The article Philosophy of Economics  has no subpage bar and is not listed in the economics workgroup article list.
What have I done wrong?
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Howard C. Berkowitz
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2008, 09:19:09 AM »

The article Philosophy of Economics  has no subpage bar and is not listed in the economics workgroup article list.
What have I done wrong?

For subpages, you need to have {{subpages}} as the first, or one of the first lines in the article text. This doesn't display with the article, but creates the subpages.

As far as I know, things are listed in workgroups only if the workgroup is in the metadata page, which is created with the subpages. I do not know if saving metadata immediately adds it to the category, or whether the category is periodically updated by a bot.
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Prime Minister, you can't take the bull by the horns if you're grasping the nettle. I mean, if you grasped the nettle with one hand, you could take the bull by one horn with the other hand, but not by both horns because your hand wouldn't be big enough, and if you took a bull by only one horn it would be rather dangerous because...' (Yes Prime Minister II, pp. 221-2)
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2008, 12:18:25 PM »

Howard, in most cases, adding the workgroup name into cat1, cat2 or cat3 on the Metadata page and saving the Metadata page will result in the main article immediately appearing in the Workgroup's list of articles.

In some few cases (and I don't know why), that does not happen. In those cases, if you simply edit the main article by adding a space after the last word in a paragraph (or some other very minor edit) and then save the revised main article, the article will appear in the Workgroup's list of articles.

At least, the above is what has occurred in my experience.

Milt Beychok
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Howard C. Berkowitz
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2008, 12:41:39 PM »

Howard, in most cases, adding the workgroup name into cat1, cat2 or cat3 on the Metadata page and saving the Metadata page will result in the main article immediately appearing in the Workgroup's list of articles.

In some few cases (and I don't know why), that does not happen. In those cases, if you simply edit the main article by adding a space after the last word in a paragraph (or some other very minor edit) and then save the revised main article, the article will appear in the Workgroup's list of articles.

At least, the above is what has occurred in my experience.

Milt Beychok

I believe it. When I went to XP SP3 and FF3, several strange things started happening. The most annoying was being asked for the application I wanted when I clicked on a link. So far, just hitting cancel and clicking a second time works correctly.

Probably gremlins and bugs. Don't you chemical engineers occasionally have a Maxwell's Demon get loose and misbehave?
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Prime Minister, you can't take the bull by the horns if you're grasping the nettle. I mean, if you grasped the nettle with one hand, you could take the bull by one horn with the other hand, but not by both horns because your hand wouldn't be big enough, and if you took a bull by only one horn it would be rather dangerous because...' (Yes Prime Minister II, pp. 221-2)
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2008, 04:42:34 AM »

Bingo! Now it has a subpage header and is listed. If someone put it right for me, I'm grateful but puzzled (it already had a metadata entry with two categories specified).
But I have just noticed that there is no subpage header in the article on employment (for which, as far as I can tell, the metadata page is properly completed). There may be others.
Problem (partly) solved!  I deleted the Employment pagename on the metadata form, then re-typed it just as it had been. That restored the subpages header, but did not add employment to the workgroups list.
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2008, 10:01:03 AM »

Sometimes you *also* have to make a change on the "Discussion" page, save it, then revert it to the original.
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Howard C. Berkowitz
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2008, 10:03:44 AM »

Sometimes you *also* have to make a change on the "Discussion" page, save it, then revert it to the original.

But this works best during the full moon, chanting "category" as the dancers move widdershins around the fire that offered a sacrifice of metadata to the Great Powers.
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Prime Minister, you can't take the bull by the horns if you're grasping the nettle. I mean, if you grasped the nettle with one hand, you could take the bull by one horn with the other hand, but not by both horns because your hand wouldn't be big enough, and if you took a bull by only one horn it would be rather dangerous because...' (Yes Prime Minister II, pp. 221-2)
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2008, 10:56:49 AM »

But I have just noticed that there is no subpage header in the article on employment (for which, as far as I can tell, the metadata page is properly completed).

These are the two edits that solved the problem above.

I added the {{subpages}} template to the top of the employment article with the following edit:
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Employment&diff=prev&oldid=100383954

There was a formatting error in the metadata page that i fixed with the folowing edit:
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Template:Employment/Metadata&diff=prev&oldid=100383956

The metadata formatting error was introduced after a series of edits when Nick was tryng to figure out why there was no subpage bar. In fact, the problem was never with the metadata page but due to the absence of the {{subpages}} template on the article.

As for getting the article to show up in a category. The server is very slow at updating changed categories unless there has been an accompanying edit. The metadata has the advantage that it changes all the categories in a cluster, but it is done without actually editing the pages.  Consequently, to speed up the process, the best practice is to make a minor edit on the page you want to appear in a category. Since most categories are listed on the Discussion/Talk page, this is always a good place to start.  A minor editor can as insignificant as adding or deleting a space.

As an aside, the category update problem is not unique to citizendium, wikipedia has the problem too. It is more noticable here, however, since we place our categories automatically based on information in the metadata template whereas at wikipedia they are placed manually (or by a bot making an actual edit to the page in question).
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Nick Gardner
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2008, 03:10:30 PM »

Many thanks, Chris
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