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Author Topic: Book reviews for Amazon -- can we bring them in here?  (Read 4759 times)
Hayford Peirce
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« on: January 11, 2008, 08:07:03 PM »

Several years ago, before I discovered WP, I wrote a number of book reviews, or perhaps critiques would be the better word, about various books that were/are listed at Amazon.com. Since no one except the original author of these reviews can later edit them, the material therein is 100% mine.  I haven't bothered to look at them again before writing this, but I'm pretty sure that with a little tinkering at least some of them could be turned into CZ articles. Slightly off-beat from the standard ones, perhaps, but.... well, who knows?

Anyone know what the copyright issues are here?

Hayford
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Joe Quick
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2008, 09:41:10 PM »

From Amazon.com Conditions of Use:
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If you do post content or submit material, and unless we indicate otherwise, you grant Amazon a nonexclusive, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable right to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, and display such content throughout the world in any media.

The "Create your own review" page does not "indicate otherwise," so you may reuse the material you submitted there elsewhere as long as you use a nonexclusive license.  The Creative Commons licenses are nonexclusive, so you're fine.
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RJensen
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2008, 10:07:51 PM »

Hayford has a great idea.
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Hayford Peirce
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2008, 10:11:12 PM »

Hey, glad to hear the positive response. I'll start looking at some of the old material tomorrow. Some of them would fall, I think, into an "essay"-type category, but maybe not....

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2008, 10:24:26 PM »

Just a quick clarifying note for anyone who happens upon this thread: you may only use material from Amazon book reviews that you yourself wrote.
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Zachary Pruckowski
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2008, 01:28:31 AM »

In general, if you use your own works which are published elsewhere, please make sure that you explicitly note this.

Specifically, make a note in the edit description or on the talk page - "Hey, I'm borrowing part of this from my own Amazon review".  That just helps make it clearer, so that when others come by, they know about it.  Not as large of an issue with Amazon reviews, but it might save some pain down the road.
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2008, 08:24:08 AM »

In general, if you use your own works which are published elsewhere, please make sure that you explicitly note this.

Specifically, make a note in the edit description or on the talk page - "Hey, I'm borrowing part of this from my own Amazon review".  That just helps make it clearer, so that when others come by, they know about it.  Not as large of an issue with Amazon reviews, but it might save some pain down the road.

The RISKS digest is an excellent, interesting resource.

Ten or fifteen years ago one of the contributors there told an interesting story that I think relates to this thread.  I can go look for the specific story.  My recollection is that the guy who told it had published a bunch of widely cited articles.  Some years later he went looking for a new job, or, for some similar reason he was asked to give some samples of his writing.  He supplied copies of these articles.
 
What he reported to RISKS was that the people vetting his application didn't actually read his articles, they just ran them through some kind of program for detecting plagiarism.  The database the plagiarism program used either didn't go back far enough to include his original articles, or the venue where he had originally published the widely cited articles were too obscure to be included in the database.

The result -- his application was turned down.  The plagiarism detecting program matched the quotes from his original work in the articles that were in its database and flagged him as a plagiarist.
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Aleta Curry
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2008, 08:47:27 PM »

From Amazon.com Conditions of Use:
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If you do post content or submit material, and unless we indicate otherwise, you grant Amazon a nonexclusive, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable right to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, and display such content throughout the world in any media.

The "Create your own review" page does not "indicate otherwise," so you may reuse the material you submitted there elsewhere as long as you use a nonexclusive license.  The Creative Commons licenses are nonexclusive, so you're fine.

I think Joe got to the right answer (i.e., 'yes, you can') via the wrong analysis.

The passage you quote, Joe, refers to Amazon's rights, not Hayford's.

If I were analysing this, I'd say that Hayford and Amazon both have rights to this material.

Hayford could, I believe, publish his work under an exclusive license, but it would not be enforceable against Amazon, because of the contract created by the passage you quote.

If I wanted to create a work based on Hayford's review of The Complete Idiot's Guide to Watching Grass Grow, and I asked him if I could and he said no, you ignoramus you, I could get around it by asking permission from Amazon, and if their reply was of course you may you genius you, Hayford's SOL.
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2008, 10:33:17 PM »

Hehe. Aleta, I never knew that you had been a Jesuit. Here, all this time, I thought that they had restricted themselves to boys....
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Howard C. Berkowitz
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2008, 11:55:35 PM »

Hehe. Aleta, I never knew that you had been a Jesuit. Here, all this time, I thought that they had restricted themselves to boys....

Or was it the Yentl strategy?
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2008, 05:16:44 PM »

It's so hard to be me...
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