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Aleta Curry
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« on: September 23, 2007, 07:38:36 PM »

I have two problems finding sources I know exist:

1.  I need to read the article Ain't Jus'Any Ole Dawgs by Dr. Sally Reed. Bloodlines Magazine Jan./Feb 1992. 

I have attempted to e-mail the United Kennel Club (publisher) asking about reprints, but their servers reject my e-mail for whatever reason.

2.  Prevailing thought about the way in which humans and dogs first came together changed at the very end of the 20th Century, from man domesticating dog to man and dog coming together with dogs being proactive, to ensure mutual survival.  I absolutely remember a)There was a NY Times article in Science Times in the 1990s, and b) a National Geographic article early in the Millenium around 2002?  but I can't find either one.

Help?  Suggestions?  Someone have access to a specialised library super search engine?
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2007, 07:45:28 PM »

Try the British LIbrary, if it is a UK publication.

ON the matter of rejected emails, for 6 weeks now I havent been able to send emails from 2 accounts because the largest Greek internet provider which is my adsl connection [the state company OTE] is blacklisted as a spammer for all of its ip addresses. This happens every summer, and I am so sick of it. IN fact, 2 years ago all my emails to UN agencies were blocked because of this, and that was why I arranged the two new accounts. Now, all but one of my email accounts will be blocked by the UN -- that one is only a few months old and in Germany, thank God!
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2007, 08:42:11 PM »

There was a NY Times article in Science Times in the 1990s

I was digging around and found the following
From Wolf to Dog, Yes, but When? November 22, 2002  -  By NICHOLAS WADE

But I don't think this is the one you are looking for.  I remember one article, possibly the NYTimes, which discussed the behaviour of the yellow dogs in the south of the US.  They hypothesised that they had a very primal behavor quite different to dometic dogs.  The behaviour they cited were living on the out skirts of society. i.e. living outside and being a lot more independant of humans.  Needless to say I have forgotten the details (possibly showing they were genetically outgrouping from regular dometicated dogs?) and I could not find anything similar in the NYTimes.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2007, 06:49:56 AM »

I have two problems finding sources I know exist:

1.  I need to read the article Ain't Jus'Any Ole Dawgs by Dr. Sally Reed. Bloodlines Magazine Jan./Feb 1992. 

I have attempted to e-mail the United Kennel Club (publisher) asking about reprints, but their servers reject my e-mail for whatever reason.
Hummm, strange. Sometimes, that could be the result of anti-spam measures.
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2.  Prevailing thought about the way in which humans and dogs first came together changed at the very end of the 20th Century, from man domesticating dog to man and dog coming together with dogs being proactive, to ensure mutual survival.  I absolutely remember a)There was a NY Times article in Science Times in the 1990s, and b) a National Geographic article early in the Millenium around 2002?  but I can't find either one.

Help?  Suggestions?  Someone have access to a specialised library super search engine?
I am aware of this change in ideas, and I am sure there will be some science articles on this as well. One way to search is to use google scholar, which leads often directly to books and scientific articles. Hope that helps....
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2007, 02:48:53 PM »

Okay, thanks to all of you.

Chris, no that wasn't the one I was thinking of, but it's nevertheless helpful.

Martin, no, it's an American publication.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2007, 02:55:42 PM »

For USA. it's Library of Congress. But someone will have to visit it to get a look at the book! [I think]
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2007, 03:59:57 PM »

No problemo!  Can I apply for a Citizendium travel allowance?   Grin
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2007, 04:01:10 PM »

Not sure if the ones below are on the right track.  Not the right period (if your looking for 90's)  and nothing significant in the NYT relating Tomasello's research.

Hare B, Tomasello M. (2005) Human-like social skills in dogs?’’ Trends Cogn Sci. 9: 439-44. PMID 16061417
Domestic dogs are unusually skilled at reading human social and communicative behavior--even more so than our nearest primate relatives. For example, they use human social and communicative behavior (e.g. a pointing gesture) to find hidden food, and they know what the human can and cannot see in various situations. Recent comparisons between canid species suggest that these unusual social skills have a heritable component and initially evolved during domestication as a result of selection on systems mediating fear and aggression towards humans. Differences in chimpanzee and human temperament suggest that a similar process may have been an important catalyst leading to the evolution of unusual social skills in our own species. The study of convergent evolution provides an exciting opportunity to gain further insights into the evolutionary processes leading to human-like forms of cooperation and communication.
Comment in: Trends Cogn Sci. 2005 Oct;9(10):463-4; author reply 464-5.


Hare B, Brown M, Williamson C, Tomasello M. (2002) ‘’The domestication of social cognition in dogs.’’ Science. 298(5598):1634-6. PMID 12446914

Dogs are more skillful than great apes at a number of tasks in which they must read human communicative signals indicating the location of hidden food. In this study, we found that wolves who were raised by humans do not show these same skills, whereas domestic dog puppies only a few weeks old, even those that have had little human contact, do show these skills. These findings suggest that during the process of domestication, dogs have been selected for a set of social-cognitive abilities that enable them to communicate with humans in unique ways.
Comment in: Science. 2002 Nov 22;298(5598):1540-2.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2007, 04:07:11 PM »

I can go to the library of congress if someone likes.  I'm just a metro ride away from it.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2007, 08:43:31 PM »

Well, I certainly wouldn't ask you to go do research--but to confirm the existence of an article if I can't find it elsewhere, that would be great.  I'll send you e-mail.
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2007, 08:59:16 PM »

Well, I certainly wouldn't ask you to go do research--but to confirm the existence of an article if I can't find it elsewhere, that would be great.  I'll send you e-mail.

Aleta, believe me, if you absolutely need a reference for something the sooner the better--currently my schedule still allows me a fair amount of free time.
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2007, 09:28:07 PM »

Well, I looked and the University of Chicago library, one of the largest in the world, doesn't have Bloodlines Magazine.  And the UKC apparently doesn't allow online repositories to scan their magazines, so I can't get it that way either.  You can order that issue from their website, but it costs 8 or 9 dollars and they'll probably only ship it within the US.....
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2007, 08:23:45 AM »

Ok, some references:
Dogs: A New Understanding of Canine Origin, Behavior and Evolution
 By Lorna Coppinger, Raymond Coppinger http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=u7uTS11qfigC&oi=fnd&pg=PA11&dq=how+did+wolf+get+domestic*+dog&ots=4P2kA9hM7j&sig=Y42v8PU_jRZSpwt84Qf-1ZcWZa4#PPA37,M1

How Wild Wolves Became Domestic Dogs
Jeffrey Cohn
BioScience, Vol. 47, No. 11 (Dec., 1997), pp. 725-728
doi:10.2307/1313093

I have the latter as pdf.

Just to start.
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2007, 04:13:36 PM »

Thanks, Kim!
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