Editorial Council Resolution 0004: Launch "Subpages"

[Greg Woodhouse]

I think the issue of signed articles needs to be considered separately form that of subpages. Are 'signed articles' tagged on to this resolution or are they dependant on another future resolution of their own before coming into effect.

I am in favour of subpages but I am undecided about signed articles.

I agree that they should be considered separately. These are two very different concepts, and the value of one doesn't depend on the other in any way.

[Martin Baldwin-Edwards]

Well, as I have understood it, the signed pages are already agreed under the Eduzendium project http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Eduzendium

which was passed [just] as Editorial Council Resolution 3.

I agree that the whole issue of signed pages is controversial and should have been more openly and visibly debated. On the other hand, if they are now to exist anyway, it would be better for them to be on subpages rather than on main pages...

[Aleta Curry]

Okay, I must have missed something here.

My understanding was that projects under Eduzendium were still collaborative works, whereas the signed pages under discussion at present can be the work of one expert.

[Martin Baldwin-Edwards]

Hmm, not sure Aleta: you may be right. There is a sample signed page here, which suggests that it needs CZ Ed Council approval:

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Logic/Signed_Articles

If indeed we have not committed ourselves to signed articles, I agree that subpages and signed articles should not be combined in one proposal. Let's wait for some feedback from the sponsors of Proposal 4

[Joe Quick]

Having thought about this a little more, there are a couple of details that I would like to discuss separately too.  Maybe someone on the editorial council could make a motion to remove signed articles from the list of subpages that are being discussed under this proposal?  Then we can talk things over and the editorial council can make an amendment later, if necessary.

[Larry Sanger]

Any Council member (including me) could move to "divide the question," i.e., create a separate resolution just to consider the signed articles option.

Also, as far as I know, it's not the case that signed articles has anything to do Eduzendium.  I believe Eduzendium articles are all "in the pipeline" to be included in CZ.  Eduzendium could use a signed articles option, which is an interesting idea.  But Eduzendium actually was conceived and planned before we introduced the idea of signed articles.

[Joe Quick]

Any Council member (including me) could move to "divide the question," i.e., create a separate resolution just to consider the signed articles option.

Okay.  Then let's move the discussion of signed articles to where it belongs (in the thread that has already been created to address this subject) and we'll see if there is enough debate/disagreement that the question needs dividing in order to get the subpages proposal through smoothly.

Please, everyone, post your concerns/arguments/counterarguments in that thread in as clear and concise a manner as possible so that we don't get the debate bogged down like we always seem to do.

[John Moffett]

I am in favor of subpages and signed articles. As long as they are labeled clearly and the authors are listed, then there should be no problem. Every field has controversies, and it is rare to find published papers that are not coming down on one side or the other of the controversy.

Multiple subpages could present the arguments for and against various theroies/hypotheses.